Unfortunately, the first year we got our Sunbird 25 trailerable yacht, Volvo Penta diesel engine problems prevented us from embarking on our much-anticipated Christmas - New Year trip down the D'Entrecasteaux Channel south of Hobart, Tasmania - something which was becoming a bit of an institution, beginning with our former boat (a SpaceSailor 22).
Now, the engine worked fine during testing when I first inspected the boat prior to purchase. The vendors delivered it to our property by road from the north-west of the state, and we now had it proudly sitting on our hilly acreage nestled on its trailer. My initial focus was getting the cabin all ship-shape, and I certainly had my hands full - painting out the interior, rewiring various circuits, fibre-glassing and also an unexpected rudder rebuild. I had not paid that much attention to the motor except for an oil and filter change, and I paid the price when we launched it for the first time, and it would not start.
I am going to tell this story in some detail because I believe that it could help others, either in a direct way if you have one of these engines, or possibly in a more general way for other makes and models.
The inboard diesel would not fire up. It would turn over fine, but from what I could tell, the injection pump was not delivering any fuel to the high-pressure part of the circuit i.e. the high pressure line, or the injector. The engine repair manual described, amongst other things, how to bleed the fuel system. I carefully followed the directions more than once, and was quite convinced clean fuel (with no air bubbles) was reaching the injector pump. I had a marine diesel mechanic come and look at it for half an hour when he was in the area, partly as a favour. He likewise identified the injection pump as the probable culprit. His advice was to remove the pump, and also the injector while I was at it, and take both to his recommended specialist to service and check.
After doing this, and receiving back my now very clean and shiny components, I re-installed them with much anticipation. You guessed it, the engine still would not start. The specialist said the pump and injector had been fully serviced and both tested OK on their workbench, and I had no reason to doubt that.
My in-depth internet research of these Volvo diesels began. There had to be information out there - somewhere - to help me. Eventually I found a post on a marine diesel engine forum with a person experiencing a similar problem to my own. I had found many other posts on the net concerning Volvo Pentas which would not run, or had other problems, and I quickly got the impression that these engines were a bit problematic generally, and this was backed up by a few conversations I had with experienced boat owners locally. On the other hand, not many folk are going to post an article on-line saying their motor works fine I suppose, and the motor served me very well for many years.
Lots of posts had suggestions revolving around fuel filters, diesel tanks etc, but one post caught my eye:
Marcus (Marcus)
Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 01:38 pm:
My 20yr old MD-5B won't start. I have bled the fuel all the way to the injection pump but nothing will come out of the pump itself. The lift pump is working and the injector was replaced last season. Is the pump broken or could it be something else before I strip it down? If I have to strip it down does anyone have any tips? Thanks.
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Dick Vosbury
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 08:52 am:
Marcus, Check that cold start latches down. If it does, remove high pressure line from pump.Loose delivery valve holder on pump.That is fitting that high pressure line attaches to. Use lift pump to vent fuel out of valve. When vented, tighten down and reattach high pressure line. should solve your problem Dick V.
Thanks Dick Vosbury.
The underlined text is the key. To successfully bleed the Bosch injector pump on these engines, it is not enough to just remove or loosen the high pressure line. You must also loosen the knurled delivery valve holder hex nut as shown in the diagram below with the black arrow pointing directly at it (specifically item 3 in exploded view at the bottom of this article). Remember to loosen the high-pressure line hex-nut just above it first to prevent the line from rotating and doing possible damage.
As soon as I did this and turned her over, fuel came flooding out of the pump on the high pressure side, and when I reconnected the high pressure line, the engine fired into life. What a sweet and joyous symphonic sound. I must add that the delivery valve holder appears to be an integral part of the pump, and it does not seem like it is something that should be tampered with. Just do it!!
But remember, injector pumps are high precision devices, and are not user-serviceable. Don't mess with it unless you want to compound your problems.
The extra page in the user guide |
Just as a follow up, when I went back and had another look at the hard-copy Volvo MD5A user guide, (not the repair manual) I took particular note of an semi-attached page (shown above) - some sort of afterthought to the printed guide. It had a line drawing showing the pump, and in hindsight, information which would back up what Dick said in his post. This is the only indication I ever came across (including the downloadable MD5 manuals) of this "secret" step. Look exactly where that big black arrow is pointing.
Exploded view of injector pump - item 3 is your friend |
33 comments:
Thanks for the posting, solved all our problems on Valentia Island in South west of Ireland . Bled everything else from tank to injectors , cleaned filters , no success until I found your post . Important to add that the compression nut above the valve nut be loosened first to avoid rotating the high pressure pipe leading to the injector . We shall always be grateful to you and Dick Vosbury,
Brian
Thanks for taking the time to write about this step! Without it my new to me MD5A wouldn't have been running on a test stand today. Now I just have to make some mounts and put it in the boat!
-Chris
Glad my blog post helped you get your motors going! Cheers, Laurie in Tasmania.
Great image of a Volvo MD5A. Can you contact me at robert.melotti@timeinc.com – we would be interested in possibly publishing it in Practical Boat Owner magazine
Sure! Only just saw your comment early 2019 though...
Thank you very much... You just saved my day, and a lot of money😎 had the problem, and this was the cure. Sincerly, Per Denmark
Great to hear that this article is still helping people out there!
Many thanks to You Laurie and Dick Vosbury! I did not think that the sound of the engine on yacht again can make such a great joy! :-D Heartiest thanks from the entire crew of Marieholm 26, Poland
Hi Mateusz,
Glad that this article helped you!
Yes, it is a beautiful sound, a diesel boat motor finally starting up - chugga.. chugg.. chugg!
Thank you soooo much for the artical. Not very clear looking at the manual and picture but following your instructions,and with better detailed drawing, I was able to clear the airlock and have my engine running again. BIG thanks.
Gary
Midas Touch.
Happy to help someone else out again!
This is my 41st year with my Aloha 27 sailboat and its Volvo MD5A engine. Apart from some initial issues relating to the way the engine was installed, it has run flawlessly ever since - that is, until this spring when it would not start no matter what I did. I bled the system several times, tried either sprays etc, but no luck. Fortunately, just days before the boat was due to be launched, I came across your article from so long ago and followed your advise regarding bleeding the injector itself. Amazingly the engine then fired right up! I am so grateful you published that information. You saved me considerable inconvenience and expense in having a mechanic tear the engine apart and maybe never stumbling on the airlock in the injector as the issue. Many thanks. You saved the day!
Martin
Ontario, Canada
Thanks for the feedback Martin, glad you are mobile on the water once again!
Hi,
I was so happy to find your post and couldnt wait to get to the boat and try it out. Ive been messing without any success to start the engine for weeks now. But for some reason im not able to undo this dam nut... it just stuck... im afraid i will break sonething if i use additional leverage on it :(
Any tips how to approach this issue
Hi, Disclaimer: I am not an engine mechanic, however maybe you could try applying some heat to the nut. You would have to first remove the pump from the engine (we don't want to start a fire!), warm the nut carefully with a propane torch, then give a ring spanner a try?
Great article. You saved my sorry hide after I failed miserably to start the engine. It has run without fault since its birth in 1980, I was horrified when it would’t start after a fuel filter swap and bleed. I gave up at 3 am, crawled into bed but the restless mind had to seek advice and I found this. Helped me to sleep and then today’s fire up was glorious. Huge thanks.
Great news! What a wonderful sweet sound again - that clackety-clack, thump thump. What part of the world are you from?
Thanks to all for this article. My ‘new to me md5a’ in a Leisure 23’ is still ok but always useful to have this information.
I did struggle with getting a new alternator to disconnect from the dodgy ignition electrics, till I picked up about the oil pressure switch connected to a relay. I found a disconnected relay under the rats nest of wiring.
For info I got a 75ah replacement for £54. Ended up with having to use the small pulley as supplied which, with fingers crossed, runs at 3000rpm on tick over and max at 10.000rpm. Alternators can cope up to 12,000. Anyway, got lots of healthy volts now.
Thanks for the info, could help others!
Hello! Where are the "cold start latches", and how do they work?
Thanks for this posting. I was very happy when the engine fired up! Big relief!
That's good to hear, glad you got going again.
Hei alle MD5 Eiere!
Intresant å lese om alle problemer med motoren og om løsninger. Jeg har en MD5 fra 1975,tror jeg.KJøpte båten for ca 10 år siden,motor hadde vist gått problemfritt fram til da.Den starta på første eller andre forsøk hver vår inntil 5 år siden. Da sto den over en sommer,og etter det nekta den totalt å starte,fikk mange tips .en mente stempelring var gåen så dårlig kompresjon.en sa det var dieseldyr som tetta.Jeg hadde ut tanken,gjorde den ren,bytta 2 filtere,det ene i vannavskilleren var helt borte nesten,råttent.Fikk lufta og diesel kom fram,men ingen tegn til start,var redd å ødelegge starteren.Så husket jeg en som måtte varme motoren på traktoren for å få start.Jeg prøvde med varmepistol i innsuget,starta på et blunk.Gikk normalt etter det,men starta kun med varme,kunne ikke bruke denne på sjøen, så brukte en gassbrenner rett i innsug,skummelt,men funka.2 år senere: brukte dieseldyr dreper,et drypp pr liter diesel,men var uheldig fikk i en kvart dl. motoren virket 1 tur etter dette, så ble den litt rar,neste dag umulig å starte,heller ikke med varme.Bytta diesel,og filtere,prøvde lufte,ingen reaksjon,inntill jeg prøvde startgass,da starta. Men nå er problem at går bare på høyt turtall og litt under.På vanlig gangfart sviver den normalt noen min. så dauer av,nytter ikke gi mer speed,men kan starte igjen,men kan ikke gå på dorjefart nå,stopper da.Hvorfor vil den ikke gå på lavere fart lenger.? eksosen er normal.Går som sagt normalt på høyt turtall,men kan jo ikke kjøre sånn. Da jeg brukte varme å starte med var det bare på kald motor,den starta normalt når den var varm. men nå når den stopper på lavt turtall kan jeg bare starte normal noen få min etter stopp,selv om motor er varm,venter jeg litt lenger må startgass til enda motor er varm. holder på å gi opp. da jeg kjøpte den ble det sagt at de motorene bare går å går,aldri trøbbel,det stemte ikke.
Dear Sir, guess what, 17 years after your posting you helped me over here in Uppsala Sweden! Many thanks. George
Great news George! glad that you are back mobile again on the water.
Same story same, same problem, same solution. After last winter we couldn't start granny MD5A without starter in spray. We have tried everything... to vent fuel filter and fuel pump. After changing fuel filter it didn't start at all even with starter spray. Yesterday we have found this article... One minute of work today and granny works better then ever. Whoever has this problem... DO THIS. It works like miracle. Thanks. AHOY
Glad that the shot of Tequila got old granny back on her feet.
Ciao mi chiamo carlo ho appena letto dal forum qusto articolo e mi chiedo se magari qualcuno conosce questo tipo di difetto sempre su motore md 5 b a me parte ma rimane accellerato quasi a fuori giri anche seza levereggio sarei grado visto la vostra esperienza di darmi una dritta per risolvere in problem
Scusate gli errori di scrittura volvo penta md5 b
Anche senza leveraggi
Ma poi mi chiedo puo essere il problema dello spurgo anche a me
Same problem after filter change. Followed the steps and it worked a treat. I could see from the wear on the nuts that the the previous owner had also loosened them before. Many thanks for saving me a lot of hassle
John (Norway)
Great news, glad it helped John.
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